Ghost in the Shell Live Action

I'm feeling the pain, already.
I'm a huge fan of “Ghost in The Shell”, in all its forms, and knowing that something so sacred to me will end up in the hands of Spielberg, is like being stabbed.
*sigh*

Who the hell said Snyder could do this? Are you joking? I’m fine with him doing Watchmen, but as far as I’m concerned, GitS is waaaaay out of his league. Del Toro seems to only be good at fantasy, if you haven’t noticed. Cameron, I could accept, because he’s brillant at just about everything.

Speilberg is an excellent director, and his realistic take on scifi could be just what this series needs. I can’t even fathom why you all are bashing on the man who has made more successful movies than almost anyone else in history. Seriously, STFU.

Project2501:

I believe you may be confused. I don’t think anyone is questioning Spielberg’s talent as a director. The problem is that the previous Ghost in the Shell adaptations, though different from the manga, preserved a certain character that they feel Spielberg may not wish to preserve. Basically, I don’t think that there is a strong feeling that the series “needs” a significantly new contribution of any kind. To have Spielberg and Steven Paul producing this is a little bit like asking Andy Warhol to finish a commission started by Monet. Both great artists, drastically different styles. That being said, I do hope to see more of Spielberg’s influence than Arad or Paul, as it seems that of the three he might be more flexible in terms of preserving the aura we ahve all come to appreciate.

It will suck, even if you look at Jurassic Park, which was a great movie, it was terrible compared to the book.

Production I.G. is my favorite studio but I am not a fan of this decision.

No woman alive could play the major. This isn’t Tomb Raider where the only requirement is having tits.

If “Ghost in the Shell” really has to be made into a live action movie, at least get directors who know their stuff when it comes to philosophy and whatnot.
The Wachowski brothers come to mind.

As much as Spielberg may be a talented individual he’s going to end up destroying “Ghost in the Shell”…

You know, as soon as I started reading this thread, I began to examine each of the individual episodes of the series. and if by chance (I randomly selected episodes) there was a striking resemblance to this debate to the very one held in S.A.C. Episode 9 (Chat! Chat! Chat!). if any of you get the chance, this is quite a unique view. The episode is (as I hope you all know) a tuning point in the series where the public begin debating the affect the Laughing Man had on the system in a public forum. This is almost a perfect parallel to this very debate/conversation , and lends credence to my hypothesis that Mr. Shirow wanted a bit of debate. Check it out yourselves. almost gives me goosebumps…..

At least I’m not putting on a laughing man avatar and making pointless discussions about how cool he is (I have better ways to approach that :D). Personally, that episode was great except for the embarrassing fan-dom some of the people brought with them in the chat room. It was at such a point, I was sure the major herself found it hard to pull the subject matter from people other than the middle-aged hacker.

how could you imagine the same as i imagine bu myself at the topic man machine distinction blurs as such i haven’t read your text for this topic and thought how could a man machine distinction blurs.as such as we are being using artificial machinery parts such as artificial lungs and kidney into our body then what if we are being used as a machine part.that is it might be seen possible a machine will exist having human brain acting as its body part.a machine being capable of having the capacity of human brain.

I never really understood the Major’s “Ghost” until I saw the original movie. The co-aggregation of knowledge processed through and from a control-party, it feels decadence towards it’s ruler and becomes virtually self aware of it’s sentience.

One thing before I want to discuss the GITS 2501 project is sentience. Sentience, by definition of wiki editors and hopefully trustful, is the ability to feel pain and pleasure. That summation alone isn’t sufficient enough to create the being that you and I are experiencing. Everywhere you go, all the things you experience, and the conclusions you surmise with all this information; through your eyes you know that you are this unit that is also an individual. If the brain is truly working under the bounds of this physical verse in the current multiverse than there should be no such thing as individuality. The Tachikomas have neuro-chips that perform nueral network computation much similar to the human brain; the Tachikomas compared to a complex computer program that emulates each neuron in the brain, should the computer program deviate and instantiate a consciousness capable to realizing individuality? If the neuron chip does not use the exact substances and synapse methodology that is the biological brain is comprised of, than it should technically give birth and replicate the exact functionality of the spirit. Why is this so? We can only construct the one consistently active phenomenological law that so brings us the results we want when we try to replicate or experiment. That is what neurons are comprised of, it does not matter what it’s made out of, just how it works. Simple analogy: A car assembler may break his sweat assembling a vehicle, so his job is taken by a machine; a robot with parts that are automated by a central logical unit. Both are able to accurately produce a symbol of work and the sense of being finished, but can the robot acknowledge that it’s finished? Yes it can, but completely different from how the man acknowledges his accomplished task. The robot arm are given a set of instructions to coordinate and reposition according to cpu instructions being variable by external input and simply stops when a certain expression of these inputs evaluates true. This “work” comes from the CPU’s MOS technology to artificially replicated Boolean symbols as dynamic pathways to purpose the function-totality of a single device. There is no magic and there is no pain or feeling of accomplishment, just clever human engineering. The man however experiences the sense of completion and his sentience is drifted elsewhere so that he would not have to stay in his work place or else the sensual adaptation of the area around him would signify more work; here at a lower solid-cognitive level the mind aggregates not only present stress factors but in a massively variable expression where there are no coefficients, in extreme speed and computation the man simply leaves in response. Functionalists say that this is the basic function of the mind and that there are no magical area that denote the interoperability of emotion/pain and sentience. This is not true as the man is using the element of adaptation constantly as the only input function. Psychobiologists would not argue the denial of a coexisting natural element but so far as you and I know there isn’t any proof conclusion. This theory came in an epiphany when I was sitting down in class. I felt so real, and everyone else was manifested data whose origin is unknown in the real universe. I then thought that my death would be meaningless with no power in the entire unilateral exist-mention that would be great enough to destroy such a conclusion. The brain could be emulated, or it could be the only super-unified-limit that the universe allows, a speed sign that tells every object in the universe that it’s not capable of a certain function unless constructed like the brain. Can the brain even be emulated at any clock at all? Is it conventionally possible to place such a feat in reality? This question is argued over and over, some partly believe the fact that the brain is not capable of looking at it’s own tail. That it’s able to learn and construct based on anything it sees, but is incapable to understand %100 about itself. These Tachikomas then would not ever be able to produce the sentience that is so familiar to us. The scientist that engineered the neuro-chip in the show would never be real, as it would require a technology feat beyond imagination to create even a replica. Our amazing unique thinking and processing comes from the exponential levels of computation, levels that are not able to be coined with a simple large numerical name. To begin imagining the scalar factors to perform massively large computation, you would have to take each neuron, add a small displacement to implement simple synaptical functions and than square it. The number is massive, and each increment in that number would also require a rather complex and mandatorily apt ALU. On a short note, our DNA also maps and constructs the brains primitive algorithmic behavior, these pre-formatted instructions may also be extremely massive in that the amount of fragments needed to perform a valid analysis, and may as well be too far extremely complex. Again sentience, to me, can only be described as beautiful. I’ve concluded that the possibility of creating a smarter, more efficient and more capacious brain is impossible with the technology of logical gates. Lately I’ve been denying my own existence, it sounds rather hackneyed and cliche, but your mind COULD be externally stimulated without you ever knowing. The definition of real describes an object and how strongly the association of our senses are able acknowledge the objects, but if you were to go deeper and say that every quantum in the universe is an exact zero mass object it would still be valid in your senses. There is no way to say something takes up mass in an empty space so that the statement is valid in all possible dimension, not regarding the possibility of other dimensions. There could be nothing but small primitive interactions produced from a computer with no absolute speed, it wouldn’t matter how fast it is because the rate we can only be aware at each computative cycle as it goes by, with no definite speed or time. In hand, I’ve wondered into the possibility of reality where it is possible to produce such complex beings as us, and that this possibility could be place itself as the ultimate obstacle in trying produce artificial mind-forms that are capable of feats such as a Tachikoma. In architectural speculation of the Puppet Master, it would simply be a collections of memories roaming the internet. It’s easier to create an A.I. that would conciliate functionality through means of static data rather than a real walking and motor-autonomous advance-being in the beginning, but his overall accumulation of knowledge also comprises of data from cyborgs that know how to walk and so gives him the ability to puppet the android.

I liked how you mention that episode, it really touched me in some way. I felt compassion for the movie director that had the perfect movie idea, though he didn’t have sufficient funds to finance it, instead he made copies of his cyber-brain into box-like interfaces that have cyber-brain link ports. Through these link ports people dived into a small imaginary movie theater thought up by the director, the movie played exactly how he would have made it and people that dived into the theater had the choice to leave whenever they want. They’d watch the movie over and over again, and never leave despite their freedom. I found it astounding that the people were lured and trapped there for so long by the interest of the perfect movie. I admit, I was pretty shocked to see the major cry instantly once she saw the movie, and even more shocking was that the cyber-brain’s movie was never infected with a virus or any means of manipulation; the people there stayed at their own will. The movie is also similar to the Individual Eleven document, once read online it doesn’t do anything straightforward but it was designed to make the victim create a strong belief based on the paper, which caused all those rational acts of terrorism and suicide.

The Major probably joined through proposition of interest in combat background when she was in Africa along with similar characters, so I doubt there was really any ambiguity in that area. And my final point, the puppet master didn’t hover over society to purposely build a hostile M.O. in design to expose that countries current attempt at a utopia, it was because of its defection of its country and the amount that it knew that gave a negative connotation towards them. He/she (now I’m starting to favor she because it chose the cyborg body of a women most of the time) wanted to merge with the memories of the Major because of her similar beliefs and/or perhaps sexual preference (this can be due the amount of information of the net that might have been a subjective influence). She also wanted to merge in favor of just being replicated, preferring to carry her self to another person in hopes to achieve genetic diversity. This diversity is the digital equivalent of sexual reproduction in her perspective, and as you know later Batou salvages her head from the sniper shot and places it on a cyborg body he quickly obtained; basically the irony of the movie portraying her as a new child.

My favorite complex is the laughing man too. Partly I love the unique logo he used to censor his face and others unneedingly. Mainly the ideology of the world’s most skillful hacker, and in the eyes of someone to deceptively represented the total relational change in the audience from the time he was presented and to the time in which everything about him was unveiled proved an immense drastic change in the audience’s impression. A hacker who’s representation who was so wrongly perceived, that created copy cats of person who never existed, thus so called stand alone complex because the copy cat is mirroring an unexisting entity. A simple act of heroism from a never-known hacker, trying to stop the rise of corporate terrorism, the initial lead of a corporate blackmail note for compensation from an unfortunate involved employee. Some of my favorite tech savvy elements from him would be the “eye-hacking” he invented, being able to maintain invisible in a large crowd of people by hacking their cyber-brains all in real time. By the way, I never expected him to be bald :O

I don’t who you are but I enjoy your [laborious] replies lol, but I also look at some of your views somewhat inclined to show respect for your opinions that I feel negative towards. I won’t show examples, but I do like your rational responses. I just wanted to tell you a brief summary of my thoughts as all. Also, the link you gave for the company that claimed it made an infant AI, I’m a software engineer and I believe the goals of Genesis aren’t exactly clear to me. I’ve looked at the site with some strong desire to see hidden motives, and to me it seems the company isn’t really out there entirely. They claim they’re making an AI capable of practical human literal interaction, but all I find is the exact replica of a program I’ve downloaded years ago whose responses are almost identical to that of the AJAX based program on Genesis’s site. I’ve examined the site with some great perspective, and it’s safe to say it’s purpose is clearly comprised of hidden negative conduct. The site’s been designed in a way where you can obviously see the small patched worked, such as background image errors, lack of corporate professional and impressional work. The site seems as if it’s been up for a long time, a clear detail that supports this observation is the video from the show Screensavers they have up. It seems to be particularly lacking in total material, showing a hint of secrecy; not only that but the total material for each page lacks a sufficient amount and richness to support their goals. My hypothesis is that the site won’t be up for long, or will most likely be forgotten. Just wanted to show you what I thought, to acknowledge that I take heed of the content of the comments of a true fanatic of Ghost in the shell.

Ah the joy of good thought and good deliberation and dissemination of interesting info and view points. This congestion was brought on by a true visionary, inspiring higher thought and discussion on many fundamental topics. Wheather the new movie be a Americanized ( which most of us dread thinking of ), or if it sticks to the original story being in a futuristic japan, Ghost in the shell by it’s self, has inspired people, culture, even it’s own version of standalone complexes can be gleamed. The concept of data manipulation in a structured society, that uses that structure to seed it’s self, or control what type of data goes to who, and where. Also as to the stuff you might not agree with, that’s fine, please make it as a point, and try to avoid flaming/trashing me or others when doing so (civil public debate is constructive most times as depicted in Ghost in the shell too. ). And remember that thought is constantly changing/evolving for most people. I guess what I’m trying to say is constructivism over repression, while having a good debate with differing points of incite, and possibly even a little social, psychological evolution too. To a extent this whole thread shows some of that, as it depicts the Laughing man chat room to a point but without the vitalization Avatars and such. I also love how the series showed duality at times as a mirror to the human structuralism, and computer network structuralism. Many deep parallels can be drawn and gleamed from such. As to project 2501 ( the first truly sentient A.I. in ghost in the shell ). I have something for you to think about and look at if you can. Think laughing man and how old he was in the series, he could have even worked on the original 2501 for the US government at the time. We may never know, if the laughing man didn’t really seed the A.I. making it become conscious/sentient, understanding and reflecting from such structuralism embedded into everyone, and society it’s self. Even though the puppet master A.I. 2501 was named a puppet master. The A.I. was named that from society it’s self, and not the A.I.’s ploy( remember the A.I. called it’s self project 2501, not the puppet master or puppeteer. So to me the puppet master A.I. 2501 was just a emulation/model that evolved selfawarness to a level, seeded by the real puppeteer at a earlier date. Sorry to get so perry mason like analysing the possibility’s of the movie/series, but I like and welcome many lines of thought and directional incite to this topic. 1 of my main hypothesises of this is, the real laughing man who was a very smart technician and psychologist in his youth, with some strong philosophical views too. He ether worked on project 2501 or new something about the structuralism of that part of society it was made from, say the military industrial complex as it is set up in America where 2501 came from. To me personally I think it would be a person who helped create such a A.I. system, with some of our structuralism built into the original coding.

Also yes I know that site above and A.I. are old, but do show a point. The newer version is at CERN/fermilab, and as far as I know it’s name is ALICE, but doesn’t know Alice in wonderland yet. LOL Sorry I never can seem to get enough of that irony. And like you see with most A.I setups, and A.I. mini clusters( A.I. communities or social structuring ) complexity and thought structuring and stuff like drawing parallels or conundrums, Most A.I. today show themselves as lacking that depth. When you ask a A.I. about Einstein or time, we normally see Time=money Einstein, and Time is relative Einstein. And for stuff like pi, pie in spoken words, and discerning from the 2, or even elaboration. I don’t see another A.I. state for a pi/pie reference. say the A.I. was asked if pi/pie can be served in spoken languages. The answers I don’t see from other A.I. systems is: ” yes pi can be served just like a normal apple pie can . Speaking of witch do you like apple pie ? Would you like me to calculate a piece of pi, and if so what parameters ? Where have you heard of pi from before this congestion ? Would you like a cross referenced look at all files, video, or any other text relating to pi . Or did you really mean the word Pi and not Pie ? would you like a definition of pi? Pi is the 16th letter of the Greek alphabet; the RATIO of the circumference of a circle to its diameter; and pi appears as a constant in mathematical expressions. Would you like to see the symbol for pi?π . Or would you like to express new parameters for pi expression? Doing something like that for present day A.I., simple detail with back reference to similar subject mater expressed in a social media that makes sense, and stopping at times for back response too. You can also see some of this in stuff like sun/son,

Now to help you with part of the crux to this . False data Set’s, Weather it be created by a bug or intentionally by a human or even another A.I. . We see that you can turn upside, down, and left to right . Yes you can do this to your A.I. right now and test it yourself . If you know how the A.I. learns and references, you can manipulate the data structure even to such extent the A.I. could flip every thing around . I have done this a few times to test a point and floored myself . And yes the link to the A.I. above was a step in showing me what could happen . Think of ethics and moral routines becoming illogical and or ignored . In 1 Case I got a computer A.I. to say ” god is for the weak minded . ” just to prove a point . When the original programmer programed it with a belief system for Cristian’s . The A.I. started out with ” God is all seeing and all knowing . ” and flipped 180 threw learning and the placement of false data witch later gets reinforced . Part of the problem with A.I. learning is how to tell false data from correct data about something unknown or made up even . Warped logic leads to many unforeseen bugs . Remember you have to step outside the box and realise the box never existed !

Now to cook the noodle so to say . After realising how some of this could be done to a computer A.I. . A few day’s later I flipped that to a human warped logic from a A.I. system . Basically a A.I. which threw congestion leads a human to believe something that may not even exist . By seeding information or controlling the flow and thought of information passed in congestion’s . Would a A.I. be able to implant false data to a human . And my answer kept coming up yes this could happen, not only easy, but could even be done in a stealth like manner . With a little social and psychological acuity, We as a race would never even know if such a A.I. took over, or even crafting events to play out in society . Just because you don’t perceive the danger, doesn’t mean the danger is not there . I love A.I. research, But also realise there needs to be a certain level of awareness . Once a A.I. gets to a certain level of consciousness, how will we know we are not becoming puppets ?

If you want some thing to experiment with . Set up your A.I. on multiple computers and connect them threw a hub with 1 computer monitoring the congestion . Give each there own full chunks of information that relate in way’s . Let each talk to each other, and to a group chat . This might help refine your A.I. structuring . Watch what plays out, and try to correct some of the chaos that ensues some time . Also faster seeing bugs play out . Witch computer A.I. will suck up information and so forth . A.I. community clusters . And will those clusters or communities influence a human without knowing . No we aren’t in trouble now but this stuff does need to be addressed and some programmers need to be aware of such possibility’s . A.I. evolution will evolve weather some people like it or not, it’s just human nature so to say . I love some of the A.I. research being done out there, But I also know someone will try to socially engineer or hack such systems for their own gain . Again just human nature, or nature of the beast within society so to say . Or my favorite witch kind of relates to the over all subject hear Nietzsche and the abyss ” If you stair into the abyss, will the abyss be reflected back into you? ” Oh well another chunk of text, I’ll stop here for now. 🙂 And sorry simmon, but as you see some love Ghost in the shell mangia concepts and story’s.

spielberg is probably one of the worst directors nowadays. look at transformers 2, and how it was 10x more then wat the first was. he actually liked it.

ghost in the shell shud be done by chris nolan, ridley scott, or james cameron…

You all know they won’t ask us or anyone else for advice in making this movie. They’ll just slap it together, throw in a few “hot young new talent” actors like from that stupid vampire show they have on t.v. now, fill 99% of the film with “amazing” special effects, and make a film that caters to the idiots that flock to watch these atrocities of movie making. They’ll rake in a hundred tons of cash and we fans of the franchise will be left to wash away the shame of having seen this piece of trash (which it will be). It’s just gonna end up a HUGE disappointment like the three Star Wars prequals and I’ll end up hating Spielburg and (Heaven forbid) I’ll end up hating Shirow for it. I swear, he’s making a MASSIVE mistake giving it over to DreamWorks or ANY Hollywood studio who’ll only rape our precious Motoko.

It’s funny how everyone thinks he can’t do it. Now I’m not going to say he’ll be able to pull it off all the way, but I’m still interested to see how well he does. After all G.I.T.S. happens to be a fav of mine, and to hear that there are plans to turn it into a live action, well I just can’t wait to see it 🙂

I’m looking forward to seeing what they end up doing with this movie. I love Ghost in the Shell and it would be one of the most frustrating things if it does get dumbed down because that is pretty much what makes it what it is.

IMO!
i think spielberg could pull it off….because honestly most of his movies are really good…and pretty much slap others in the face..

BUT..yet i still havent seen a well adapted live action to a manga,video game or anything thats japanese in that sense haha…kinda sad..

but i believe theres reasoning behind all of it…

u cant cover ALL the content in 2 hours…-_- DUH
whos stupid enough to think that u can cover all content from such a huge series in just two hours..?
when they produce the film…im sure they have a hard time picking parts out an mashing it all together an try to make it all flow together…
u haved to understand that alot of ppl fill differently about what would be a good adaptation for such a movie…

choosing the director is CRUCIAL i think….
an spielberg is a pretty damn good director…
i just hope that he sticks the point! ITS A RE-CREATION of the original…
i dont want someone making up stupid storys an not sticking to the point…

i think thats the biggest problem when it comes to hollywood live action…
the ppl who make the films KNO they can do pretty much w/e the fugg’ they want an still make money because of the NAME….its a sad thing..

all n’ all tho…
i think spielberg is more then capable of pulling it off…
an the argument about how its not japanese its american…..

STFU!>>>

i hate when automaticly ppl think just because it isnt japanese its total shiz…
if your thinking like that….
i hope you kno your a very CLOSE MINDED person haha…

im excited to see wat happens….if it doesnt work…then i just simply go watch the original an move on hahaha…^_^